Basket Stretching

[Endo]

Another silly idea....(bare with me JohnB).

What is the insde diameter of the PF? If I remove the PF spring and make my own basket (or stretch and existing one), what maximum diameter could I get?

(Sorry, I don't have my Vernier with me).

[JohnB]

Another silly idea....(bare with me JohnB).

What is the insde diameter of the PF? If I remove the PF spring and make my own basket (or stretch and existing one), what maximum diameter could I get?

(Sorry, I don't have my Vernier with me).

How would you stretch the basket without making it oblong?

[Endo]

How would you stretch the basket without making it oblong?

I was thinking of pushing (hammering) it down over a metal cylindrical form (56mm diameter). With a good lead in chamfer on the upper edge to aid in the strectching. Then flatten out any defomormations on the end by hammering over the end of another cylinder (one with with a radius on the corners).

[JohnB]

How would you stretch the basket without making it oblong?

I was thinking of pushing (hammering) it down over a metal cylindrical form (56mm diameter). With a good lead in chamfer on the upper edge to aid in the strectching. Then flatten out any defomormations on the end by hammering over the end of another cylinder (one with with a radius on the corners).

Since you have a folded lip upper edge & are dealing with stainless I can only say good luck. Don't forget stretching requires heat. My guess is that it will crack before you get any real change. Its only $8 so not a big deal if it doesn't work out.

[Endo]

Since you have a folded lip upper edge & are dealing with stainless I can only say good luck. Don't forget stretching requires heat. My guess is that it will crack before you get any real change. Its only $8 so not a big deal if it doesn't work out.

Good point about the lip. I agree that might make it more difficult. You might need to "roll up the rim" by passing it through a hole first and then reforming it after the stretch. I'm not talking about a lot of stretch.

I measured the PF hole with a ruler and it appears to be about a 57mm hole. So with the thickness of the basket itself, I believe a 56mm basket would fit. (Anybody own a 56mm tamper??)

This diameter would get it closer to the "optimum" 58mm, and along with p/i, it would be hard to say it's much different than the E-61. If you made it a snug fit in the PF and eliminate the ridge it may stay in during knocking as well.

It would be interesting to try, but I'm not sure I'm well enough equipped to pull it off. Maybe I can convince an Italian sheet metal guy at work to give it a try (paid in espresso of course).

[oton]

Reading this post, the "Early blonding" post, and others comments (difficult to get great shots, the pours are not very syrup, very sensitive to grind, 58mm e61 seems better, etc...) I have the feeling that S1 it's not what you expect , at least in terms of espresso quality.

Guys, do you really like S1?

[Endo]

Reading this post, the "Early blonding" post, and others comments (difficult to get great shots, the pours are not very syrup, very sensitive to grind, 58mm e61 seems better, etc...) I have the feeling that S1 it's not what you expect , at least in terms of espresso quality.

Guys, do you really like S1?

That's just me.

But really, what do you expect? "Mine is perfect"...."yeah, mine too"..."Gotta new timer"...."I gotta wood PF handle"..."sweet".

And really, I'm just trying to explore the limits of my "dream machine" for my own personal enjoyment (and the pain of most others) .

For some people it's about achieving the perfect "God shot". For most others, they are just looking for a good, easily made espresso or milk drink. But they probably won't be posting here.

It really is a great machine.

[oton]

That's just me.

LOL I think yes. Hardly I see complaints from other people.

However, I understand you. If we spend $2000 on a coffee machine, it must be perfect!!

Cheers mate. ;)

(I am counting the days and hours remaining to come my s1 )

[RapidCoffee]

Reading this post, the "Early blonding" post, and others comments (difficult to get great shots, the pours are not very syrup, very sensitive to grind, 58mm e61 seems better, etc...) I have the feeling that S1 it's not what you expect , at least in terms of espresso quality.

Guys, do you really like S1?

Do you want objective comments or a whitewash?

Whitewash: It's perfect. Everything about the S1 is perfect. Every pour is perfect. You don't even need a grinder! Just drop two beans in the double basket, and pull one perfect shot after another.

Objective analysis: It's a great machine, arguably the best choice in prosumer/light commercial single group double boilers for under $3K. Does it achieve perfection? Of course not. Do I really like it? Of course I do.

[David23]

I am thrilled with mine. Yes, I am learning on it, and there are challenges in learning to make the shots better and better, but those are mostly challenges for ME, not the machine, it simply does what I ask it. I love the visual aesthetics of it, and it can foam like mad. I have no remorse what so ever.

[oton]

Of course I want objective comments, in fact I HATE the nonsense fanboysm. I'm asking for sincerely opinions, not the ones like "this machine it's the very best of the world because I spent a lot of money".

However, If I spent more money than a Quickmill, Isomac, Expobar, ECM, etc. I'd like pours of superior quality or, at least, of equal quality of those machines. I dont like spend more to get less quality, right?

(Sorry if my comments sounds rude. It's not my intention. English it's not my native languaje, so I can not express myself the way I'd like )

[Endo]

Of course I want objective comments, in fact I HATE the nonsense fanboysm. I'm asking for sincerely opinions, not the ones like "this machine it's the very best of the world because I spent a lot of money".

However, If I spent more money than a Quickmill, Isomac, Expobar, ECM, etc. I'd like pours of superior quality or, at least, of equal quality of those machines. I dont like spend more to get less quality, right?

(Sorry if my comments sounds rude. It's not my intention. English it's not my native languaje, so I can not express myself the way I'd like )

It's more about you and your taste than the machine or the taste in the cup.

Any of the current DB machines out there will be better at making espresso than you (or me) will ever be at preparing them. So don't worry about making a mistake once you decide on a DB.

I'd say just narrow down your choices first by deciding if you want HX or DB. Then if you decide on DB, do you want the E-61 brew head (with lots of chrome) like the Brewtus III or Alex Duetto, or a more modern looking design like the Vivaldi. Once you've decided that, the next choice is easy.

[JohnB]

Objective analysis: It's a great machine, arguably the best choice in prosumer/light commercial single group double boilers for under $3K. Does it achieve perfection? Of course not. Do I really like it? Of course I do.

I'd up the figure to $4000+ myself. What else compares between the Vivaldi & GS3? Maybe a DC Super Mini but I've yet to see a review of that machine.

[Endo]

I'd up the figure to $4000+ myself. What else compares between the Vivaldi & GS3? Maybe a DC Super Mini but I've yet to see a review of that machine.

I'm sure the Brewtus III will get lots of buyers who are also looking at the Vivaldi. It has many of the features of the Vivaldi plus the E-61 and it's $300 cheaper. I still prefer the Vivaldi (and I'm sure you do too) but there will be LOTS of the other DB options in the next year or so.

[JohnB]

I'm sure the Brewtus III will get lots of buyers who are also looking at the Vivaldi. It has many of the features of the Vivaldi plus the E-61 and it's $300 cheaper. I still prefer the Vivaldi (and I'm sure you do too) but there will be LOTS of the other DB options in the next year or so.

I didn't say there weren't other options, I said there is nothing that compares & the Brewtus would be tied for last with the Vibi if I was looking at DBs. I don't consider the chromed boat anchor, excuse me E61 grouphead, to be a major draw but it's obvious the SMB/E61 tarted up antiques have their fans. Evidently the R&D department at most Italian espresso machine companies is where the employees go to REST & DRINK!

[RapidCoffee]

I'd up the figure to $4000+ myself. What else compares between the Vivaldi & GS3? Maybe a DC Super Mini but I've yet to see a review of that machine.

I'd go along with that. But $3K encompasses most of the obvious suspects.