HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

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HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by TruthBrew » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:38 am

To those who have timered their S1, please repost the timer plans. There were 3 designs posted previously; 1 with a switch, 1 with X10 house automation, and antonioe's 7day thermostat/circuit board.

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Post by antonioe » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:06 pm

OK - this forum sw apparently requires "new" posters (my ID was also wiped out, so I'm a "new" poster) to have TWO posts before he/she can include pictures and URL's in a post, so heres one post...
Last edited by antonioe on Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:23 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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Post by antonioe » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:13 pm

... arghhhh!... It won't let me post the second one until "a bit later"... let's see if this is "later" enough...

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Post by antonioe » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:21 pm

OK here it goes. First, the pictures of my timer control "head":
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Now, the URL link to the description of how I put together the modification:

http://mysite.verizon.net/antonioe/site ... itimer.pdf

There's a problem, though: a previous posting - also a victim of the crash - described which pins in the Vivaldi keypad were connected to the ON/OFF button and the Vivaldi controller board ground. Shame on me, I used that info to put together my mod, but I neglected to write it down... (and I call myself an engineer???)

I would have to open my machine to get at those pin numbers, and I'm extraordinarily lazy... could somebody post that info (Chas?) I promise to add it to the document...

- Antonio

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Post by JonW » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:59 pm

I previously did the write up and pics for the switch and home automation mods. I know I have the pics to repost, but I'll have to rewrite the instructions to go with it. I'll see if I can get it done in the next week or so.

- Jon

ps: mine is still working fantastic with my home automation system. There have been many times where I dial up my house from the car and enter my special code "*ESP" to turn the machine on before I arrive home.

batorok

Post by batorok » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:29 pm

PLEASE, my mornings would be so much nicer if someone could detail the pins I need to work on to get my S1V1 on a timer....
thanks!

Niko

Post by Niko » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:59 pm

Do you know anyone with a VII?
Would it help to see where they connect it to a VII board?
I'm not planning on popping the covers off mine anytime soon, especially after just having it open to tighten some stuff down and to make that stupid manometer straight (never got to it when it shipped last month).
But I can keep this in mind for the next "opening".
On the other hand, maybe the board is different in the way of having a dedicated connection for that timer.
You're certainly right about the mornings being easier! The VII is the MOST unerrated thing about the machine, I couldn't live without it now.
I'll be following this thread to perhaps someday install a timer (after more people have done it) to my original S1 which I still use on the weekends.

JonW

Post by JonW » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:50 am

batorok wrote:PLEASE, my mornings would be so much nicer if someone could detail the pins I need to work on to get my S1V1 on a timer....
thanks!
Here's a pic of the wire connections.
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See the complete write up below.
Last edited by JonW on Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:01 am, edited 1 time in total.

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S1 control via plug in timer or Home Automation system

Post by JonW » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:00 am

OK, let's see if I can get this all down again....This will probably be the abbreviated version.

The primary method of getting the machine to turn on is to short the connections between pins 1 and 6 (numbered in picture) for approximately 3 seconds.

Start by removing the top two screws to get access to the front panel. There is no need to unhook any of the plumbing, just let the panel hang forward.

Image

Image

Remove the four screws from the back of the button control box.
You can then unplug the ribbon cable and pull the button control box out.

Image

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Method #1 - Plug in timer control
If you wish to simply use a plug in timer, you can wire a toggle switch between pins 1 & 6. You can then leave the toggle switch turned on and when the timer comes on, the machine will think that the power button is being pressed. Normally, you wouldn't hold the power switch down, but in this case, the toggle switch will do exactly that and the S1 will end up in programming mode (no big deal). When you approach your S1 to start using it, you will need to flip the toggle switch off and then tap the power button to get the S1 out of programming mode. None of your programming options will be affected. When you are done using the S1, you should then turn it off (and your timer) and set the switch again so that it will power the unit on the next time your timer comes on.

In the pictures below, I have installed a toggle switch on the bottom of the right hand side panel.

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Method #2 - Home Automation Control
I never like to leave well enough alone, so I took this a bit further to make it much more intelligent.

I have a home automation system in my house that controls all lights, (most) appliances, security, audio/video, pool/spa, etc., so I wanted my S1 to be included in this so that it would work off of the same master schedules for turning on (and off) in the mornings and evenings. By hooking it into my home automation system, I can even call up on my cell phone while I'm on my way home and punch in a few codes to tell it to fire up the S1 or I can even check it's status online via web control. The way my master schedules work, the S1 will only turn on when someone is home (unless I remotely turn it on). This way I never have to worry about it coming on if we are out of town or just out for the evening.

To accomplish this, it was a simple change to remove the toggle switch and install a 1/8" mono jack in it's place. I then use a UPB/PulseWorx (Universal Powerline Bus) module to trigger the S1. I can control the module to a fine enough time duration to have specific controls actions for both on and off. I was originally going to also wire in a status signal to actually test for it being on or off, but by being able to pulse the line for 1 second to force it off, and then hold it for 3 seconds to turn it on, the control has proved to be very reliable without the need for status testing.

Since this method only closes the circuit for a few seconds, the S1 control switches are never interrupted for normal operation.

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OK, I think that covers it! :D

batorok

Post by batorok » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:29 am

fantastic, thanks a lot!

batorok

Post by batorok » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:49 am

Niko wrote:Do you know anyone with a VII?
Would it help to see where they connect it to a VII board?
..... maybe the board is different in the way of having a dedicated connection for that timer.
the VII is vastly different, the VI timers are all hacks, the VII has a simple plug for attaching the spaziale timer.
thanks though!

Niko

Post by Niko » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:05 am

I kind of figured that, I haven't opened up the VII to really look around. But I think I might try this hack on my VI, I LOVE IT!

JonW

Post by JonW » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:35 pm

batorok wrote:
Niko wrote:Do you know anyone with a VII?
Would it help to see where they connect it to a VII board?
..... maybe the board is different in the way of having a dedicated connection for that timer.
the VII is vastly different, the VI timers are all hacks, the VII has a simple plug for attaching the spaziale timer.
thanks though!
They're not that different. You could do this hack on a VII if you wanted. Even if I owned a VII, I would still do this hack as the factory timer is nowhere close to the level of integration that I enjoy with my home automation system. I could also see some people wanting to opt for the $15 timer and mod method that Antonio has shown as an alternative to the $185 timer that the VII uses.

TruthBrew

Post by TruthBrew » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:17 am

Thanks for reposting... I was just going to do the Antonio method then the forum crashed losing the instructions.

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by bgour » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:54 pm

JonW wrote:
Method #1 - Plug in timer control

If you wish to simply use a plug in timer, you can wire a toggle switch between pins 1 & 6. You can then leave the toggle switch turned on and when the timer comes on, the machine will think that the power button is being pressed. Normally, you wouldn't hold the power switch down, but in this case, the toggle switch will do exactly that and the S1 will end up in programming mode (no big deal). When you approach your S1 to start using it, you will need to flip the toggle switch off and then tap the power button to get the S1 out of programming mode. None of your programming options will be affected. When you are done using the S1, you should then turn it off (and your timer) and set the switch again so that it will power the unit on the next time your timer comes on.
This is clearly the easiest of solutions and actually works quite well (thanks, JonW). The downside is that you have to remember to turn on the toggle each evening else you'll wake up to a cold machine in the morning :cry: . And the machine ends up in programming mode, no big deal but, not elegant.

So I created a simple $10 solution with a few parts from RadioShack. This easy-to-build circuit replaces the toggle and will simulate holding the power button down for 4 seconds, turning your machine on in the morning (when powered-up by an appliance timer). There's nothing to remember, no toggle switch to flip, etc. Each morning (or whenever your timer powers on) I'm greeted by a stable hot machine, running in normal mode (not in programming mode as with the toggle solution). :grin:

I used LTSpice to design the simple circuit. "V1" in the diagram is where I connected to pins 1 & 6. The usual caveats apply anytime you open your Vivaldi: be sure you know what you're doing and accept all responsibility for any damages. I am not an electrical engineer and make no claims as to the safety of this modification. That aside, it's been working very well for me for over a week. Combined with a heavy duty appliance timer ($15), I have all the timer functionality I could ask for.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by JohnB » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:33 pm

Sounds interesting but being electronically challenged the diagram might as well be in Greek. How about a simple how to with pics & a parts list?
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Post by bgour » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:07 pm

The first and probably the toughest part of making this mod is to get into the keypad panel housing (small plastic box) and solder wires to pins 1&6 which are the on/off button (actually, 1 is ground and 6 is the on/off line). I initially used the toggle switch solution described by JonW above so I brought the wire through the bottom of the chassis and to a simple switch sitting loose (but insulated) behind the machine.

If you attempt this procedure, DO NOT allow these wires to ground against the chassis. You've unplugged the machine anyway, right?

The auto-on circuit described in my post above replaced the toggle-switch. It's built with the following pieces, all from Circuit City (Radio Shack):
  • - heavy-duty (min 1500watt) digital appliance timer
    - "mini printed circuit board" - just a general purpose board into which the few components are soldered and connected.
    - 3300uF 6.3V capacitor ("C1" in the diagram)
    - barrel diode ("D1").
    - 600 Ohm resistor ("R1")
    - 7K Ohm resistor ("R2")
I soldered the components into the mini pc board and connected them as in the diagram. The wire from pin 6 of the keypad connector goes to the diode. The ground line goes to the "-" side of the capacitor. In operation, the capacitor builds charge for ~10 seconds, allowing current to flow long enough to trigger "on". When power is removed, the capacitor slowly drains into the 4k ohm resistor. So long as the power has been off for about 3 minutes, powering back on will again trigger the circuit to automatically switch on the machine.

Basically, this is high-school level electronics (which is all I have!). I'm sure there is a fancier way to achieve this, eg. using a 555 timer ic, as Antonio did above. But this simple solution has been working great for me and I love that there's nothing to do in the morning other than start grinding.... 8)

Comments/questions welcomed. This is a great site and I'm eager to "give back" a little any way I can.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by JohnB » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:25 am

Thanks for the write up. Did you mount the circuit board assy. in a waterproof box? My S1V2 is rated at 2200wts so a 20a/2000wt timer would be the minimum I'd consider using. 1500wt would be fine if you run in Economy mode. Is there any specific rating on the Barrel Diode or are they all the same?

http://www.rewci.com/120v.html ??
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by bgour » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:43 pm

Yes just about any diode will do. Here is an example: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... Id=2062589
This is all low-power stuff, 3Volts max.

I wouldn't say that box I've got it in is waterproof but no way is it getting wet inside. My main objective was to keep if from getting squished.

That timer you linked to is definitely beefy enough, even for 20amp users.
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Re: S1 control via plug in timer or Home Automation system

Post by Milchschaum » Thu May 07, 2009 6:57 am

JonW wrote:OK, let's see if I can get this all down again....This will probably be the abbreviated version.

The primary method of getting the machine to turn on is to short the connections between pins 1 and 6 (numbered in picture) for approximately 3 seconds.

Start by removing the top two screws to get access to the front panel. There is no need to unhook any of the plumbing, just let the panel hang forward.

Image

Image



Remove the four screws from the back of the button control box.
You can then unplug the ribbon cable and pull the button control box out.

Image

Image


<snip>

This thread is now two years old - but it is quite new and very valuable to me.
I am new to the Vivaldi S1 and I would very much like to use a plug timer - because I don't like the price policy of La Spaziale's concerning the original timer unit. ;-)

But here's the problem:
The links to the illustrating pictures mentioned above seem to be broken.
Is there anyone who can fix this? Anyone who can provide these pictures? They would be very handy and informative for people like me who don't really know their coffee machine inside out.

Thanks very much in advance,
8) Dirk


PS: I am german - so I apologize if my english is not the best, altogether.

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by RoninTech » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:43 pm

Hi all,

Finally got around to automating the espresso machine and put some pics up here. Thanks for the great tip JonW!
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Post by chas » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:20 pm

Good solution. I actually use a couple of the Powerflash modules which work the opposite way to detect switch closures versus the Universal Module which creates switch closures. I also use them with Homeseer.

The only thing that surprises me is that you can get a 1s and 3 second signal from Homeseer or is this a programmable option on the Universal Module?
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by RoninTech » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:51 pm

I just use a straighforward event that turns the device on and 1 or 3 seconds later turns it off:

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by Milchschaum » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:02 pm

Thank you once again for your inspiration in this thread.
However, we found a different solution which is to be found here:
http://www.kaffeewiki.de/index.php?titl ... tschaltuhr
(provided you are capable of german).
We make use of the fact that the machine starts when the button is pressed while powering on. The electric part we use ('Einschaltwischer', I don't know the proper english term) then 'releases' the button after 4 seconds.

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by Endo » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:50 pm

Nice!

I like the enclosed relay. But maybe the most elegant solution would be to use Dirk's 16-pin adapter cable along with Paul's Homeseer.
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Post by Livin » Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:07 pm

Has anyone done a mod on a V2 to enable it for home automation (appliance module)?

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Post by RoninTech » Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:12 pm

Livin wrote:Has anyone done a mod on a V2 to enable it for home automation (appliance module)?
Yeah the link to all the details I wrote up is in my post above.
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Post by Livin » Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:48 pm

Paul - found it. Thx

I'd really like a way to use the port for the 7-day timer or to bypass that 3 second function all together and control it at the wall plug (using on/off appliance module)

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Post by RoninTech » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:25 pm

Sorry Livin, only know how to do it with a universal module (< $20 on ebay if you change your mind) and the front panel. Funnily enough the universal module is plugged into an X10 outlet with an on/off override but it doesn't help with turning the unit on and off.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by mrcaseyb » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:00 am

Thank you for sharing all this information. I wont be getting my S1 until end of Feb, but am looking to leverage the scheduling and mobile control available to me through my home automation system (Crestron)
Thanks everyone!

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by raf » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:20 pm

I too have successfully automated the S1V2 by using an Insteon I/O Link Controller connected to pins 1 and 6, as outlined above. It took a bit of trial and error to get the timing right, but it now works very reliably.

Since Insteon supports a 2-way protocol, I would like to expand on this by being able to sense it the machine is currently in an on or off state. Has anyone been able to determine which pins would hold that information?

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by pmRider » Wed May 21, 2014 9:22 pm

I know this is kind of an old thread, but I've been absent from the forum for a couple years. I'm particularly interested in the circuit diagram listed in this post by bgour. I can't seem to find it anywhere on this website. Can anyone point it out to me?
bgour wrote:The first and probably the toughest part of making this mod is to get into the keypad panel housing (small plastic box) and solder wires to pins 1&6 which are the on/off button (actually, 1 is ground and 6 is the on/off line). I initially used the toggle switch solution described by JonW above so I brought the wire through the bottom of the chassis and to a simple switch sitting loose (but insulated) behind the machine.

If you attempt this procedure, DO NOT allow these wires to ground against the chassis. You've unplugged the machine anyway, right?

The auto-on circuit described in my post above replaced the toggle-switch. It's built with the following pieces, all from Circuit City (Radio Shack):
  • - heavy-duty (min 1500watt) digital appliance timer
    - "mini printed circuit board" - just a general purpose board into which the few components are soldered and connected.
    - 3300uF 6.3V capacitor ("C1" in the diagram)
    - barrel diode ("D1").
    - 600 Ohm resistor ("R1")
    - 7K Ohm resistor ("R2")
I soldered the components into the mini pc board and connected them as in the diagram. The wire from pin 6 of the keypad connector goes to the diode. The ground line goes to the "-" side of the capacitor. In operation, the capacitor builds charge for ~10 seconds, allowing current to flow long enough to trigger "on". When power is removed, the capacitor slowly drains into the 4k ohm resistor. So long as the power has been off for about 3 minutes, powering back on will again trigger the circuit to automatically switch on the machine.

Basically, this is high-school level electronics (which is all I have!). I'm sure there is a fancier way to achieve this, eg. using a 555 timer ic, as Antonio did above. But this simple solution has been working great for me and I love that there's nothing to do in the morning other than start grinding.... 8)

Comments/questions welcomed. This is a great site and I'm eager to "give back" a little any way I can.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by Bart » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:11 am

I did a Crestron integration using a cbdex and an attiny. This setup allows me to bi-directonally interface to Crestron. The Attiny is located inside the keypad, it monitors the blinking patterns of the leds and also the button presses. If the blinking pattern is solid, I pull the line of the 1st button on the cbdex low (I'm only using the low voltage boards from inside the cbdex). For a blinking led, the output of the at tiny is left floating. I'm using the 1st led on the cbdex to control the S1. The led on the cbdex was removed and replaced by an optocoupler (resistor adjusted to match current). The at tiny monitors also this line. If the machine is off (stdby led blinking) and the led from the cbdex is programmed to turn on, the attiny will pull the on/stdby line low for about 2/5 seconds turning the machine on. Vise versa if the machine is on while the cbdex led is programmed to be of, the attiny briefly asserts the on/stdby line to switch the S1 in standby mode. If anybody think this is interesting enough I can cobble my code and schematics together.

Features of the integration:

- Status of the S1 is available within Crestron
- Control of the S1 from Crestron (S1 power will be switched on/off following the Crestron signal
- Front panel push button override (falls back to follow Crestron signal after an hour)
- During initial power on, S1 pushbutton will act as 1st CBDEX button to allow for Crestron Identify sequence.


If you are just looking for a power on solution you could just use an open collector reset circuit with a 3sec or so delay time, I have used a Texas Instruments TPS3808 for that before I did the Crestron integration.

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Post by Firochromis » Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:15 pm

Any chance to update links & photos of the previous messages? :-(
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by chas » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:11 pm

Are you talking about this post or a different one?

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=261#p2792
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Post by Firochromis » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:23 am

chas wrote:Are you talking about this post or a different one?

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=261#p2792
Sorry, didn't notice your message chas.

I"m talking about bgour's message on 02 Mar 2009, but then noticed it doesn't seem to include any photo.
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Re: Auto-on circuit parts

Post by jcran17 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:37 pm

bgour wrote:The first and probably the toughest part of making this mod is to get into the keypad panel housing (small plastic box) and solder wires to pins 1&6 which are the on/off button (actually, 1 is ground and 6 is the on/off line). I initially used the toggle switch solution described by JonW above so I brought the wire through the bottom of the chassis and to a simple switch sitting loose (but insulated) behind the machine.

If you attempt this procedure, DO NOT allow these wires to ground against the chassis. You've unplugged the machine anyway, right?

The auto-on circuit described in my post above replaced the toggle-switch. It's built with the following pieces, all from Circuit City (Radio Shack):
  • - heavy-duty (min 1500watt) digital appliance timer
    - "mini printed circuit board" - just a general purpose board into which the few components are soldered and connected.
    - 3300uF 6.3V capacitor ("C1" in the diagram)
    - barrel diode ("D1").
    - 600 Ohm resistor ("R1")
    - 7K Ohm resistor ("R2")
I soldered the components into the mini pc board and connected them as in the diagram. The wire from pin 6 of the keypad connector goes to the diode. The ground line goes to the "-" side of the capacitor. In operation, the capacitor builds charge for ~10 seconds, allowing current to flow long enough to trigger "on". When power is removed, the capacitor slowly drains into the 4k ohm resistor. So long as the power has been off for about 3 minutes, powering back on will again trigger the circuit to automatically switch on the machine.

Basically, this is high-school level electronics (which is all I have!). I'm sure there is a fancier way to achieve this, eg. using a 555 timer ic, as Antonio did above. But this simple solution has been working great for me and I love that there's nothing to do in the morning other than start grinding.... 8)

Comments/questions welcomed. This is a great site and I'm eager to "give back" a little any way I can.
I realize I'm bringing this thread back from the dead, and I am the third person asking, but does anyone have the diagram of the circuit board noted in this thread to replace the toogle switch?

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by RoninTech » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:41 pm

Well 5 years on and while cleansing the house of X10 devices I changed the X10 universal module that's been semi-reliably controlling our Spaz mini to a super cheap esp8266 wifi processor based relay board. Updated my writeup here.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by highintensity » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:49 am

Hello there, I know this has been asked before and it seems it is missing again. I have wanted a mod like this for 10 years since I have the V1 machine. has anyone saved a copy of the circuit diagram and possibly anything more specific on the parts. I want to build this with a zwave interface for my smartthings automation. http://www.amazon.com/Aeon-Labs-DSC0610 ... art+switch
Any help form anyone who saves a copy would be greatly appreciated.
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JonW wrote:
Method #1 - Plug in timer control

If you wish to simply use a plug in timer, you can wire a toggle switch between pins 1 & 6. You can then leave the toggle switch turned on and when the timer comes on, the machine will think that the power button is being pressed. Normally, you wouldn't hold the power switch down, but in this case, the toggle switch will do exactly that and the S1 will end up in programming mode (no big deal). When you approach your S1 to start using it, you will need to flip the toggle switch off and then tap the power button to get the S1 out of programming mode. None of your programming options will be affected. When you are done using the S1, you should then turn it off (and your timer) and set the switch again so that it will power the unit on the next time your timer comes on.
This is clearly the easiest of solutions and actually works quite well (thanks, JonW). The downside is that you have to remember to turn on the toggle each evening else you'll wake up to a cold machine in the morning :cry: . And the machine ends up in programming mode, no big deal but, not elegant.

So I created a simple $10 solution with a few parts from RadioShack. This easy-to-build circuit replaces the toggle and will simulate holding the power button down for 4 seconds, turning your machine on in the morning (when powered-up by an appliance timer). There's nothing to remember, no toggle switch to flip, etc. Each morning (or whenever your timer powers on) I'm greeted by a stable hot machine, running in normal mode (not in programming mode as with the toggle solution). :grin:

I used LTSpice to design the simple circuit. "V1" in the diagram is where I connected to pins 1 & 6. The usual caveats apply anytime you open your Vivaldi: be sure you know what you're doing and accept all responsibility for any damages. I am not an electrical engineer and make no claims as to the safety of this modification. That aside, it's been working very well for me for over a week. Combined with a heavy duty appliance timer ($15), I have all the timer functionality I could ask for.

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by highintensity » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:18 pm

Thanks bgour, close but what I am looking for is how to build the simple $10 solution so I can use an on/off timer zwave. That would be PERFECT. I have the parts but cant find the wiring diagram for the circuit. I am clear how to hook it in my machine.
He refers to a "Diagram" which I cant find.

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The first and probably the toughest part of making this mod is to get into the keypad panel housing (small plastic box) and solder wires to pins 1&6 which are the on/off button (actually, 1 is ground and 6 is the on/off line). I initially used the toggle switch solution described by JonW above so I brought the wire through the bottom of the chassis and to a simple switch sitting loose (but insulated) behind the machine.

If you attempt this procedure, DO NOT allow these wires to ground against the chassis. You've unplugged the machine anyway, right?

The auto-on circuit described in my post above replaced the toggle-switch. It's built with the following pieces, all from Circuit City (Radio Shack):

- heavy-duty (min 1500watt) digital appliance timer
- "mini printed circuit board" - just a general purpose board into which the few components are soldered and connected.
- 3300uF 6.3V capacitor ("C1" in the diagram)
- barrel diode ("D1").
- 600 Ohm resistor ("R1")
- 7K Ohm resistor ("R2")
I soldered the components into the mini pc board and connected them as in the diagram. The wire from pin 6 of the keypad connector goes to the diode. The ground line goes to the "-" side of the capacitor. In operation, the capacitor builds charge for ~10 seconds, allowing current to flow long enough to trigger "on". When power is removed, the capacitor slowly drains into the 4k ohm resistor. So long as the power has been off for about 3 minutes, powering back on will again trigger the circuit to automatically switch on the machine.

Basically, this is high-school level electronics (which is all I have!). "

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by jcran17 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:12 pm

RoninTech wrote:Well 5 years on and while cleansing the house of X10 devices I changed the X10 universal module that's been semi-reliably controlling our Spaz mini to a super cheap esp8266 wifi processor based relay board. Updated my writeup here.
Just picked up an esp8266 with a relay (month away, coming from China). Read your post and wonder if you also use it to automatically turn on in the morning or only on demand with the code you posted. If on/off timer, do you have code you can share or direction to help me figure it out?

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Post by bgour » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:26 pm

I've had an ESP8266 timer solution going for about a year now. Anyone interested in doing same, I'd be happy to help out.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by Powdersurfer » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:33 pm

bgour wrote:The first and probably the toughest part of making this mod is to get into the keypad panel housing (small plastic box) and solder wires to pins 1&6 which are the on/off button (actually, 1 is ground and 6 is the on/off line). I initially used the toggle switch solution described by JonW above so I brought the wire through the bottom of the chassis and to a simple switch sitting loose (but insulated) behind the machine.

If you attempt this procedure, DO NOT allow these wires to ground against the chassis. You've unplugged the machine anyway, right?

The auto-on circuit described in my post above replaced the toggle-switch. It's built with the following pieces, all from Circuit City (Radio Shack):
  • - heavy-duty (min 1500watt) digital appliance timer
    - "mini printed circuit board" - just a general purpose board into which the few components are soldered and connected.
    - 3300uF 6.3V capacitor ("C1" in the diagram)
    - barrel diode ("D1").
    - 600 Ohm resistor ("R1")
    - 7K Ohm resistor ("R2")
I soldered the components into the mini pc board and connected them as in the diagram. The wire from pin 6 of the keypad connector goes to the diode. The ground line goes to the "-" side of the capacitor. In operation, the capacitor builds charge for ~10 seconds, allowing current to flow long enough to trigger "on". When power is removed, the capacitor slowly drains into the 4k ohm resistor. So long as the power has been off for about 3 minutes, powering back on will again trigger the circuit to automatically switch on the machine.

Basically, this is high-school level electronics (which is all I have!). I'm sure there is a fancier way to achieve this, eg. using a 555 timer ic, as Antonio did above. But this simple solution has been working great for me and I love that there's nothing to do in the morning other than start grinding.... 8)

Comments/questions welcomed. This is a great site and I'm eager to "give back" a little any way I can.
Is it possible to get the diagram for the circuit board? I'm looking for a solution to run my spaziale vivaldi 1 behind my Wemo network power switch and would live to try your idea!
Can you please send me the diagram or upload it again?
Thanks a lot!


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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by bgour » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:16 pm

Powdersurfer wrote:
Is it possible to get the diagram for the circuit board? I'm looking for a solution to run my spaziale vivaldi 1 behind my Wemo network power switch and would live to try your idea!
Can you please send me the diagram or upload it again?
Thanks a lot!


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Hi, sorry for the late reply. That circuit served me well for years but I found it very sensitive and ultimately I moved to a microcontroller solution (ESP8266) which as a bonus let me setup a simple web control interface. If you're inclined I'd reccommend a similar solution and would be happy to help out.

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by dstasiuk » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:39 am

bgour, I too am interested in building a timer based on the ESP8266 solution you have alluded to. Just bought a S1V1 - strangely enough in Vancouver although I live in Kamloops). Would love to set it up using a simple timer to wake up to a warm machine :). Any info you could share would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by KimH » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:38 am

Me too... Even though this thread contains lots of great information and different solutions, It would be nice with a step by step guide showing bgour's ESP8266 solution. @bgour, something you would consider?
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by raf » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:40 pm

Bump
I used an Insteon I/O Link Controller wired into the keypad. This was working passably for quite a few years but now has become unreliable enough that I have turned it off. I'm looking for a more reliable solution using Insteon or Z-Wave.
Had anyone make progress on this?
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by zach » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:07 pm

I think I've got a quick and easy solution working.

You'll need:

A relay. This one from digital logger (DLI) is nice because it already has a power cord and case and is cheap:
https://www.amazon.com/Enclosed-AC-Prot ... ower+Relay


A wemo or other wifi switch.

2 Apps: Stringify and IFTTT.

Basically, the wemo will trigger the relay (Pins 1 and 6 off the control panel as in other timer descriptions, connected to the normally open terminals on the relay).

However, the wemo app can't do 'on', 'wait a few seconds', then 'off'.
Stringify can do the ordered commands, but can't talk to the wemo. IFTTT can't do the commands, but can talk to the wemo.

So from within Stringify you send commands to IFTTT and let IFTTT talk to the wemo.

On is: Time or Homescreen button-->IFTTT tells wemo to toggle on/off-->wait 5 seconds-->IFTTT tell wemo to toggle on/of

Off is: TIme or Homescreen Button-->IFTTT tells wemo to turn on then immediately off.

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by GDK » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:16 pm

I am in the process of integrating my Mini with Google Home and make it work with app like Smart Life for remote control and timer based operation. Turning the machine on and off with voice commands is more of a show off but it just comes with the package. The design is based on the following timer board, 3 of them actually - for reliable operation from any state machine can be in at a given moment (including programming mode):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/281747815529

The boards should arrive within a month and soon I will be buying a wifi smart plug like this:

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0786JXBYL/

I will report progress as it happens.

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by zach » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:21 pm

Anyone know which pins line up with the other button presses?
1 and 6 gets the power button, but I'd like to be able to activate the large dose button.

It would be pretty convenient to be able to push a button and get several warm up flushes separated by 40 seconds without having to keep pushing the button.

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HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by Lav » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:56 am

see picture 6 in the following - looks like wire 2 and 7:
https://www.kaffeewiki.de/index.php?tit ... h_airprint
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a power-on timer on your S1 (Request)

Post by zach » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:16 am

Lav wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:56 am
see picture 6 in the following - looks like wire 2 and 7:
https://www.kaffeewiki.de/index.php?tit ... h_airprint
Thanks.
How do the wires line up with the pins on the controls. For on off, it says 1 and 11, but it is 1 and 6 on the control panel. Still 2 and 7 on the control panel?

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